It is still on spanky. I did see a chat message from you one time when I went by that console but you were gone. If you want to hear people you need to let them know that you are feeling lonely and neglected. We have a lot more things to do than sit around watching a console that isn't doing anything as hard as that might be to beleave. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061