Just a note reporting good news for a change. I upgraded my 2.6.12 kernel yesterday to a 2.6.14.4 kernel without incident. Furthermore, it compiled successfully with GCC 4.0. I know this is not quite cutting edge, but it is as close as I want to get to it right now. Since my Debian conversion a few months ago I have become fairly comfortable with relying on package management tools, except for kernel compilation, which I have not had the nerve to try yet. So this upgrade was done the old way, fetching a source archive from www.kernel.org, patching speakup into it from CVS, then doing a "make oldconfig" using my (what else?) old config, then doing a "make", a "make modules_install", a "make install" which included running lilo, and a reboot. Up it came with everything intact, including software speech. Once again my thanks to Kirk and all his helpers for making Linux not only tractable, but enjoyable too. What better stocking gift could one want? Chuck -- The Moon is Waning Gibbous (80% of Full) But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh