You cannot use cvs on kernels prior to 2.6.12 any longer because of the major changes in console code included in the 2.6.12 release. To patch kernels earlier than that you should grab the speakup-2.0 tar ball from the linux-speakup.org site and patch from that. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061