This stream plays properly with a player that uses the Realplayer version 8.0 libraries: pnm://audio1.wksu.org:7070/encoder/wksu.rm But when Mplayer 1.0-pre7 attempts it, here is what I get: Connected to server: audio1.wksu.org Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) input_pnm: got message from server while reading stream: You need to obtain a new player to play this clip. Please point your web browser to http://www.real.com and download the latest RealOne Player from RealNetworks. Once you have installed it you should try this clip again. Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) I gather the stream knows who is trying to access it and objects to non-Realplayer clients. If so, that sucks. Chuck -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (72% of Full) "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh