Also, not meaning to be obvious but make sure it's unmuted. If you use alsamixer I believe you use -c1 to do the second card's settings; not sure about aumix. I find alsamixer confusing personally with speech, but with braille I can use it as long as I look up at the top to see what setting I'm sitting on as the cursor can get off if you go back and forth. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."