I agree with Karen, these last 30 hours on Shellworld should be a wakeup call for all of us. While we have our files-and-data back again, I should really consider eventually handling pine and all the features of a shell right here locally. I suppose however, if I were running some mail server software, I would almost never be able to boot the machine in to windows to run openbook, as the mail server would not be collecting incoming messages? Back in January, when I left CTS, another shell provider, I tried downloading everything, but I may not have it all. I was thinking earlier that I was going to have to move items around. Last night we tried logging in to cts, but I think they are gone? Hart