Greg, Well actually I have not been able to completely get fetchmail working as a system-wide daemon sufficiently so I resorted to calling it in a cron job which to be honest saves memory. Seems little point to run multiple copies of fetchmail or even run a daemon if you can accomplish the same task in a cron job. Maybe I am looking at this a waste of time, but maybe from an efficiency use in terms of memory, it will do. Actually I knew that >/dev/null 2>&1 was to simple and thus is why I forgot it. tnx Scott