Yes, irlp is using ffedora, well the new stuff is. we're presently running redhat 9, but my understanding they're moving over to fedora and I think we'll be updated. I'd be interested in the kernels, but not sure I'd know how to install them. I was booting from a floppy to install their system from scratch and had all kinds of problems. I had to get sighted help to do all this, and it was a real pain. I sure wish I'd had speech for that. I haven't opened my new box yet, but if it will boot from the cd, I can download the images from the linux-speakup page. I think it says I need four disks. Thanks. I guess this doesn't make a lot of sense, what I'm wondering is how hard it is to install the kernels you have for speech once I'm upgraded to fedora on the irlp box. 73s Butch Bussen wa0vjr