but I don't know for sure why. I do know I hadn't been starting with the speech-dispatcher command because it appeared to be automatically started as a daemon by debian; when I had tried to start it I got 'speech-dispatcher already running". But the last time i rebooted that apparently didn't happen because I did the modprobe command and the speechd_up command and then couldn't find the /tmp/dtk debugging file even though debugging was still on. so i started speech-dispatcher; actually, sftsyn was already loaded when I did this and then I did speechd_up and it worked!!! But I've rebooted since then; speech-dispatcher still wasn't automatically started and I started it first, then loaded sftsyn, then speechd_up. I have rebooted and done this tree times and it is still working. I have ltlk compiled in my kernel also, but I have "none" as the default. Sorry this isn't more helpful; try making absolutely sure speech-dispatcher isn't running and starting again. It also might be because I changed the permissions on /var/run. I really don't know but I'm really kind of afraid to change anything now. eventually I will of course. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."