Yes loads of good ideas but you don't seem to have the experience to be able to use them. 1. look at the error and waring output and pay very close attention to the first couple messages. TThis means read them and think very carefully about them. 2. hunt down the cause of the first few errors and I will bet your next years paychecks that you fix the problem. Complaining on a mailing list without any useful details is just plain stupid. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061