Hi Sean I do agree with what you're saying, but you can't treat the Windows and Unix worlds alike. There are two key points here: 1. Sec508 has existed for some years now. 2. Apple introduced accessibility into OS x from the start, meaning anything written for OS x is likely to be accessible. They're saying 90%. Similarly Gnome accessibility was built in from the beginning of 2.0, which was a whole rewrite from 1.4. So Anyone who wrote a vaguely standard app for Gnome 2 will have accessibility built in. 3. I should also ad that while Windows doesn't really contain any useful software, both Gnome and Osx do. I'm not saying that OSM approaches are redundant, just that they are not as necessary as for Windows, and also are very hackish to implement. Saqib -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: 24 March 2004 04:59 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Here maybe a solution to speech in X Windows: Hi All. Only have a speech product that only works when a developer includes the accessibility or rely on a development tool to add the accessibility is very restricting. This means all those products out their that have been already been developed will not work. This isn't the case in windows. You can use a large number of applications that don't use MSAA. This is becaus ethe speech products don't rely on the developers introducing accessibility objects into their products. Don't get me wrong, I think the accessibility object direction is the better direction. But you have to work with the real world. Developers will not always introduce the accessibility components to a product for many reasons. Prime reason is market and preceived extra development costs. The old saying, you cannot have all your eggs in one basket. I think Apple and XWindow should add the OSM concept into their products. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saqib Shaikh" <S.Shaikh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Here maybe a solution to speech in X Windows: > What you say applied equally to Gnome/Gnopernicus. Gnopernicus will only > work with Gnome apps that are written to conform to Gnome standards. If > custom widgets are developed, the developer must implement accessibility. > > For Mac all Cocoa apps without custom widgets get automatic accessibility, > but go a bit off the track and you'll have to implement your own > accessibility to support custom widgets. Carbon apps are generally not > going to be accessible unless the author puts work in to make this happen. > Apps that run in the Unix, Classic or Java modes of OS x are almost > certainly not going to be accessible in Spoken Interface 1.0 - and remember, > Spoken Interface 1.0 is (at my guess) about a year away. > > Saqib > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver > Sent: 19 March 2004 04:18 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Here maybe a solution to speech in X Windows: > > from what I'm reading on this thread alone, > if it ain't built to apple's specs it ain't gonna work. > kinda like some windows apps they ain't built to use the common > interfaces and apis that microslop have begrudgingly made available. > Therefore, we have a small matter of a good many apps that I'd like to > occasionally use under windblows requiring extensive scripting if you're > using jaws or extensive set file manipulation if you're using window > eyes. > it's about time there was a good screen access solution for mac. it's > something else for me to try at some point down the track. > > -- > Shaun Oliver > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
