Good point; I have let it run for quite a while. Also the conjectures about upload and download are correct; if you go to the Knoppix website one of the downloads is through bittorent, except they have you do it right through your browser apparently. If you hit that link (don't worry about the login; doesn't appear to take anonymous) it will start showing your progress and it does have upload and download stats labeled so you know which is which. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."