Ok, that's awesome, since I'm a total newbie at this...that was a great explination. I will try to find some time to do it, and let you know. I unfortunately will be using a Windows Telnet client....*sigh* but oh well...i'll play with it. Now, I thought that pico didn't come with Fedora, so what was that last stuff? What editor would I be using then? Thanks for all this great info. Take care, Sina No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:39 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: RE: Installing speakup with software speech Hi Telnet's your answer then. It's a real pain to navigate with any windows telnet client IMHO, but if you use the standard linux telnet it reads perfectly. Make sure your ISOs are relatively recent (June 7, I believe) since telnet was fixed in those. Start the install with: text telnet at the boot: prompt. If you don't know what IP you'll be given, but you know an IP that's free, use: text telnet ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Of course, put the actual IP numbers in there. Once the CD drive starts spinning, telnet into the IP address. If you use linux telnet, you won't even know the difference as far as the speaking install goes. In fact, when I did it, once I ejected the wrong CDrom drive when it told me to change disks. The only problem is... telnet server may not be installed. This means that once you install and reboot, you may not be able to get back in. For this reason I'd recommend putting the telnet-server RPM on a floppy and installing it as the installation ends. Also, you'll have to customize the firewall during installation and check the box next to telnet, since you'll have to get back in once installation is finished. To do this, when the installer prompts you to reboot, press ctrl+z instead. Now, chroot into your new installation like so: chroot /mnt/sysimage Now mount that floppy: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy or in the case of a USB floppy: mount /dev/sda /mnt/floppy create /mnt/floppy if it says the mount point isn't valid. Now install the telnet-server RPM. OK, one more thing to do, remove the firstboot RPM: rpm -e firstboot Some people like to just turn it off but I don't see any reason to have it lying around. Now, exit the chroot shell. Hold on, two more files to edit: As the editor, use "pico". This is not pico, it launches the joe editor in pico mode--nano won't work under telnet and vi doesn't track correctly. First, edit: /mnt/sysimage/etc/inittab This is standard procedure, change the default runlevel to 3. There's a line reading: id:5:initdefault: change that 5 to a 3. ctrl+x to exit and save. NOw, edit: /mnt/sysimage/etc/xinetd.d/telnet You'll see a line in there that says: disable = yes change that to: disable = no This ensures that you can telnet into your newly installed system and either get speech running or set up SSH for a more secure connection. Once speech is set up, I highly recommend closing the telnet service unless you're going to be using it for some reason. Well, hope this helps you out. Note that the speakup-provided kernels already have the sftsyn module ready to be modprobed.