Hi Bill-and-All: Yes, Bill you were and still are the inspiration for myself-and others enjoying linux. You know many of the specifics, but just to tell others, I want to install Jupiter and YASR. I have talked by phone with Karl and Mike, the authors. They are both trying remotely to configure my system, but I think in YASR case, the dectalk driver won't completely build. In Jupiter case, Karl has lillo set up, so at a second beep, I either type w for windows, s for speakup, however, I cannot yet type j for jupiter. Yes, it is a decPC Shaimless plug, what a wonderful 52nd birthday surprise it would be enjoying these 2 other screen-readers on Sunday Hart