Well there are no errors that I see having just tried checking out speakup and www2 not www. I have never seen the -c flag before so I can't help there. Remember that checking out speakup should really be done using the checkout script rather than just checking out the module because of the number of patches which need to be coordinated and applied. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061