hi greg, thanks for the info, i have a class b network card so i am using numbers over 127 finally found a manual that descrives ip numbers what server do i need to communicate betwean machine 1 and machine 2? what i want to do is to send files from machine 1 to machine 2 both machines are linux is there a simple server that will let me do that? when my computers come up they both say that the link is down. i assume that the server is not loaded or if it is i need to put something in my config file or something. thanks randy