Well thanks Gene; that was enlightening. I didn't have libdotconf-dev as I had taken the installation instructions literally and just intalled libdotconf; should have known with debian there would be a dev. Thought I had speech-dispatcher installed with debian but using the * in the apt-get revealed a lot of packages that weren't installed. and my automake was still at 1.4-something. It was really strange; running automake --version showed the version but running dpkg -s automake showed the 1.7 version and showed it as not installed. So i had to download it directly from debian. Anyway, think I have everything installed now except speechd-up. will keep you posted. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."