I am kind of in agreement that Linux could be a great deal more easy with a better command line interpreter but that ain't the case. So we have a choice, either stay with Windows and all of it's control over our computing lives or take the time to learn the logic and sintax of Linux. Once that task is done, then it is truly an amazing operating system that grows on you like an old friend. I am not there in terms of my knowledge but I really have grown to like it quite a bit and suggest that you take the time to read the how tos and once you get familiar with it then it will reallly do great stuff for you. You know there is always Windows and an albeit limited dos world that provides freedom on it's terms of not allowing you to do lots of stuff and I still use those systems quite a bit. I especially like WordPerfect 5.1 and the programs I wrote in XBVASE, but eventually Linux will give me flexibility that I had never dreamed possible. I will learn how to program in languages that Linux uses and port my old stuff here. OK OK, I've said enough, but just want you to know many of us share your frustrations and are working towards what promises to be a very worthwhile goal. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Glenn Ervin at home wrote: > Chris, > I too don't like that response: > "look in the how to's" > and the like. > If someone is an otherwise experienced person with technology, then a good > piece of software or an operating system should be intuitive, and it should > be do-able without reading documentation. > With winblows and all of its flaws, I can at least say that the average user > with an interest in figuring it out can do so without documentation. > I have learned DOS and winblows without ever touching any documentation. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <chris at mailvision.ath.cx> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet > > > You know what, i really hate people with that type attitude. it almost > seems to me as if you don't even care to help, like one a these RTFM people, > and by that i don't mean f=fine either... > > All I'm asking for is some help, and yes I read the documentation, how else > would i a done it... I'm not ententionally trying to sound rude, but my God > and a mile and a half! your reply seemed very cold to me... > > i'm only asking for a little help. is that too much to ask? > > > Chris. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romuald.net.eu.org> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet > > > > This isn't a slackware, but an alsa problem. > > > > First of all, did you read the documentation? > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:29:53PM -0400, Chris wrote: > > > i know that this may be a real selfish attitude to have, but i'm just > about > > > fed up with Slackware... This peace a... i'm trying to install the > alsa > > > drivers for the sb live value emu10k1. > > > > > > The stupid thing's giving me syntax errors, or b, telling me to rerun > the > > > configure script as first. i can't begin to imagine what I'm doing > wrong... > > > > > > i need either to phone someone in the u s as soon! as possible, or b, > you > > > may call me at: 704-540-2324 > > > > > > just make sure if you do call to begin by telling me who you are and > that I > > > know you from the speakup mailing list so I don't get confused. > > > > > > i honestly can say, if I can't get my sound up and going, then I don't > think > > > linux'll be worth it... > > > > > > > > > i'm willing to give it a shot, but not unless... > > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager at EU.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- -- Charlie Crawford