Liz, If you are using your elba to post to the list the first thing I would do would be to change the date, either that or kirk has some nano creatures time warping your posts <grin>. Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)... The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly large. I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run across in two days that did not have the root password or compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me. Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one bit of difference to me. Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't have the answers I can find out. -- Keith Watson kwatson at smed.yi.org Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace