Hi all, There are two Elba users on this list who know what they are doing. No, Liz, you have incorrect info. You can get a compiler for the Elba, you just have to ask. You can get the root password too, you just have to ask. Um, hate to say this, my friend, but I think there is still, on the part of some people, a reluctance to believe that a woman actually could know what to do with a compiler and a root password for the Elba. Just be charming and kill him with kindness and ask sweetly for what you want. I don't have an Elba, wish I did, but am getting a BN for my job. However, I did some considerable research on the Elba, as well as talking to folks who use it. If I weren't having this BN bought for me so that I could train others on it, I'd buy an Elba, hands down! Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT