I have been following this thread and I agree with Shaun, Scott, and Janina about the strange interaction taking place here. My best guess is that Kevin has not the slightest idea what speakup is all about, and in fact may be confusing it with the gnopernicus access package, where frames and such might conceivably be tied to a sound package by means of some clever tool or other. But then, I too am only guessing in an effort to understand why we get such cryptic and uninformative postings here. Speakup is not like Jaws. It is NOTHING like Jaws. Frame-viewers are totally irrelevant to speakup users. Speakup enables a Linux kernel to make text consoles and applications with text interfaces totally accessible in speech. Web browsers with text modes have to deal with frames, true, but they each do so in their own way, and that too has nothing to do with speakup. Go check into a windows list, Kevin, or the Gnome or KDE accessibility projects. Those venues could conceivably have an interest in your product, if there IS one. Chuck -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (26% of Full) Get my public key from website, http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh