Hi Tom: I'd like to say I used something very scientific when defining the character descriptions but that would be a lie. I asked here on the list a few years back if anyone had a list of the character names for the extended ascii set. Two people sent me lists Geoff Shang and Mike Gorse. Those lists sat around for quite awhile before I got around to building them into speakup and truthfully I don't remember which list I used, maybe both. So it is very possible that I actually got it wrong. I think it is the extended pc character set as built into the computer. If you find mistakes and there may be some let me know and we'll change them. I hadn't noticed any wrong ones up until now but I can't say I've ever been diligent about testing them either. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061