I have no idea what freenet is, but getting java itself to run is easy on windows and linux. All it needs is a PATH to the java executable. That's all ... On windows, install is completely automated. On linux, you run one executable. Change the PATH environment variable and set JAVA_HOME or include a path to the /java/bin and you're up and running! You can then type javac and compile, java to run. -- Doug > But Java aps in my opnion are much harder to get running. Harder than what I wonder?