The copy of .pinerc should have the same mode as the original. To solve your problem, all you need to do is go into the other user-s directory as root and chown <user> .pinerc Be sure the user in whos directory the file has been copied has ownership of the file with the above command, otherwise the user will continue to have this problem. Lorenzo We can use symlinks of course... syslogd would be a symlink to syslogp and ftpd and ircd would be linked to ftpp and ircp... and of course the point-to-point protocal paenguin. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the penguin Linux logo