it's not rude, it's blatently f**king microsoft up the ass in front of our very ears. oh well. there's no accounting for taste is there. -- Shaun Oliver "You are not a fool just because you have done something foolish -- only if the folly of it escapes you." EMAIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 or, blind_h4ck3r