Actually what is happening is that because we are no longer modifying the kernel map you are being left with the default kernel keymap arrangement which leaves the right altgr alone. We always spoiled people by defining it in speakup. Now that we aren't you have to set it yourself to get your old behaviour back. Here is a snippit you can save to a file and load with loadkeys to get your old behaviour back: # Default kernel keymap. This uses 7 modifier combinations. keymaps 0-2,4-5,8,12 keycode 100 = Alt Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061