Great start Tom a couple more things as of today anyway, doubling keypad-8 will say the indentation position before saying the line. doubling keypad-5 spells the current word. speakup-keypad-5 phonetically spells the current word. doubling keypad-2 says character phonetically and now say number before it says a number. speakup-keypad-2 now reads from current position to bottom of screen. This used to be speakup-keypad-plus. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061