Okay, I have made it go away. Here is the deal: When I first ran the new CVS speakup I noticed that some of the contents of /proc/speakup had changed. So I copied the new /proc/speakup stuff to /etc/speakup when I keep my settings. My startup procedure includes a "cp -R" command that copies all the settings back to /proc/speakup where the permissions are appropriate. It is when I copy caps_start and caps_stop back to /proc/speakup from where they were written in /etc/speakup that kills my pitch change. I am now getting normal behavior after first simply removing caps_start and caps_stop from /etc/speakup and rebooting, so that those two items are not written back to /proc/speakup when starting up. What happened? Did I lose a control character during the copying process or something? Anyhow, it is working fine now and I can sure live without messing with the pitch change values. Chuck -- The Moon is New So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh PS: Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !!