Hey Mick, it looks as though you are doing everything correctly. Obviously that's no incouragement if it isn't working. If you have the drivers built-in with 'y' in the configuration are you still passing the speakup_synth kernel command line option? If so, do it without out the switch. I suspect you are already doing it without the switch but want to be pedantic. I use the DoubleTalk pc as you know and it comes up chattering just like it always did. The kernel is booting right? After it says Doubletalk found or whatever it does go on and boot to a login prompt? If so, and you can ssh into the box and look at the dmesg output to see what's up. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061