You want to be sure you use the cable which came with the Apollo. It has brain dead handshaking by default and does not follow standard rs232c conventions. I used the Apollo option of speakup last night for about six hours and had no problem with it. Now if I could say as much for the knoppix rescue disk... Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061