As far as I can remember the loadkeys shipped with debian installation disks is a modified version which supports a -b binary switch which can be used to save a binary version of the key map. It's been a long time but I believe it was something like: loadkeys -b speakupmap.map >speakupmap.bin or something like that. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061