Hi Nigel and all, I was really surprised by your reporting such difficulty with Linux, as was Ann. I am a Slackware user and have found it to be easy to install without a monitor, although I cannot say if it is easier or harder than the other distros, since it is the only distribution I have ever used. If the problem is unfamiliarity with some of the basic concepts and terminology of unix/linux systems, such as the conventions of naming files, directories, permissions, and such stuff, maybe a unix tutorial will help. Here is a useful one, which perhaps Windows with JFW will not screw up too badly for you to use: http://www.wizvax.net/wizvax/UNIX/index.html As for who is and who is not blind, or who is and who is not a developer, Ann's points were well taken. Most everybody on this list is blind, although a few may be passing <smile>. As far as I know, all the speakup developers are themselves blind, and many of us who are only enthusiastic beta testers of speakup are nevertheless developers of other products. Most of us have chosen Linux because we are committed to the open source free software model, but also because of the incredible amount and quality of accessible documentation available right there on the desktop that comes with every Linux distribution. I hope you will give Linux a real try before settling for a future limited to Windows, JFW, and the world of commercial burdens and restrictions. Chuck -- The Moon is Waning Gibbous (88% of Full) Get my public key from the website, http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh