Hi Steve: I will have to try the unloading multiple times thing. I have only done that on the softsynth module while testing it. I have been able to unload with modprobe successfully without echo though. I couldn't a week or so ago but I've since changed a portion of the code which was executing nonexisting code. When was the last time you updated? Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061