Woh now. I never said anything about my advice being absolute or for that matter even correct. In the nature of this list, a friendly forum of knowledgable contribution, I attempted to offer a possible solution among many. I never once stated mine was right, nor did I state that my advice should be taken as anything but a suggestion. I also warned against the bad practice of the pre elements; however, I offered one possible solution to the problem. I will not get into an argument with someone I have every other reason to respect over an outdated html tag that I care little about; however, I would state that the accessibility issues with using this command are not as grave as you may think as I can prove with Jaws or IBM Home Page Reader each of which support and read text in pre element tags just fine. I also thought that people were encouraged to contribute advice so that we all may learn, apparently I was wrong. The point of this list seems to be to offer advice so that it may be rudely and negligently pushed aside with little regard for the intentions behind that advice. I apologize if you do not agree with my advice; however, I believe you could of phrased your email in a more respectful manner. Also as to ignorance, I resent that accusation, simply because I always stand to be corrected, as anyone should; however, the advice I gave has worked with a number of different accessibility options. And as I recommended it for a quick dirty fix, for example for a few days until propper html may be written. I do not see the harm in the advice or the necessity for your brrunt and uncalled for manner. Again I apologize if I have afended or said anything inappropriate, but I don't believe I or Luke, along with Alex deserves such treatment. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-admin at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:38 PM To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: text to html Not very good advice, Sina. let's not go around inventing this stuff out of ignorance. There are some pretty clear guidelines about what constitutes accessible HTML at http://www.w3.org/wai. I suggest that meeting those guidelines needs to be a priority. Let me make it real clear. We talk about accessibility here on this list. We must give as we expect to receive.