here's an url that could backup ann's friend's claim. http://www.pcauthority.com.au/index.asp?PageType=ArticleDetail&CatID=1&ID=13780 makes interesting reading in any case. -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun