I apologize, after going back to the web page it does infact look like you are to install from the tarball. That is interesting because I never intended for that to be the standard way of installing. Cvs is much newer and maintained more closely than the tarball. It is also a much more automated way of installing speakup. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061