All of those tools for automatic config etc are good when they work ... but they add complexity. That was my point. A better example is mandrake. Pretty slick install but you're buried layers of stuff. I like the minimalistic slackware mentality. I know where everything is, and what depends on what. I should keep my mouth shut because this is not the place to debate such things. What if kudzu doesn't do what it's supposed to? -- Doug >I'm a little unclear why you would say Red Hat is too complex to understand >what it does. I suspect since I have used RH from the beginning I understand >it's inner workings better than a Slack user, but I personally don't find it >dificult.