They do have EmacsSpeak don't they?! At least that's what I was told at Linux World 2002... At 08:11 PM 10/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me the problems Jason had in getting his certification. > From what I've seen RH putting Speakup in to their distro is a good thing > nad their supporting accessibility of technology not taking it away or > refusing to let it in to the distro. > >As of now Speakup is supported by both RH and Slack. And as for the most >GPL heavygroup Debian, Speakup won't be in that distro for quite some time >to come I suspect aside from the modified installers we make. >I've actually tried several times to see about getting speakup included in >to the distro and the idea I got back from them was basically, its a nice >product but doesn't benefit the majority of us so we won't include it in >to the install process. >In a way I do see their point because there's not only that issue to deal >with we'd also have to make it work on all the different machine types >debian runs on and we don't have any way of testing this. > >So to those who think RH is the bad guy in this market their not in my >opinion. > >Hate to say it this way but when people think of linux they think of Red >Hat so having Speakup out there for the general public to get their hands >on is a good thing. > >Tommy > > > >On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:27:13PM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > > Oh, well, RedHat has clearly shown its distain for open standards and the > > entire open-source GPL principle through its poor handling of accessibility > > issues surrounding its certification exams and its course materials. > > Further, RedHat may have even shown malice toward at least one blind > person, > > by doing almost everything possible to try and stand in his way of earning > > his RHCE certification. Jason's testimonial of how RedHat attempted to > > deliberately stand in his way of earning his RHCE is still resonating > within > > me, and I'm still trying to figure out how to channel this new anger toward > > RH in order to get them to make appropriate changes!!! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow at midsouth.rr.com> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:47 AM > > Subject: Re: 8.0 problems. > > > > > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > Seems to me you can't have it both ways, logically speaking. Not that > > > > anyone needs to be logical, I guess. But, I don't understand the > > > > principles you seem to be trying to espouse here. What are they, > > > > exactly? > > > > > > > > > > I guess what I am trying to say is that Redhat is breaking compatibility > > > for no logical reason other than to promote themselves as being ahead of > > > the pack. Dropping MP3 support in this release, stating that they are > > > dropping Lilo in the next release, and this clock thing. It has nothing > > > to do with the GPL here. The GPL lets them do all this, but I just don't > > > agree with the whole idea. Let me ask you something. Suppose the next > > > release of Redhat decides to drop DOS and VFAT filesystem support. Would > > > that not upset a lot of people who still expect to be able to read their > > > Windows partitions in Linux? They could argue that they are dropping > > > support for FAT and VfFAT because by supporting these filesystem formats, > > > they are supporting a closed OS. You have to draw the line somewhere in > > > how rigidly you will follow the teachings of Richard Stalman and how much > > > you will support those who are trying to migrate from the closed world of > > > Windows to the open world of Linux. Consumers are hard to change, so we > > > need to slowly pull them to Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
