Hi, Bill. Thanks for the info. Actually, someone told me it was 7.4, but after looking at the ftp site I see it is 8.0. Thanks for the correction, and tips. I guess I can wait a week or two for the full version if it is that close. It looks like many mirrors hve just added a 8.0 branch, and as you say it usually doesn't take long after the branch appears before it actually gets contents.