Hi There is a jfw key map up on the site at ftp://ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/speakup/speakup-jfw.tar.gz as I am a asap user I love the fact that Kirk used that as a model for the speakup commands.. Larry's keypad layout allways made more since to me than the jfw keyboard layoutfor reviewing.. ------------------------- Patrick Turnage e-mail:pturnage at tampabay.rr.com Telephone: (850) 459-7717 HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com Amateur radio callsign:kg4dqk AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk icq:26862191 MSN:turnagep at hotmail.com Yahoo!:kg4dqk America Online:kg4dqk1129 kg4dqk1129 at aol.com