Yes, correct and I also found via the man page how to speed the whole process up.Got some books on disc as well I'm ripping and at this rate its gonna take some time. Sure wish I had a gizillion speed cdrom.:) I'm going with the vorbis format in any case only so I can make some discs for the car cd player and have available at my office some song material. I sure love the Library, they got some good selections in music. grin Thanks for making this observation and hope this discussion was helpful to other rippers out there. On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 02:25:59PM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote: > You don't need to make Vorbis or MP3 files if you are just extracting > files from one CD to copy to another as far as I know. Cdparanoia will > rip to wave files or even raw files with no header and also do some error > checking along the way.