Well, I just figured out how to do this last week, so it's fresh in my mind. Go to the sign up page of paypal in one console and have another console standing by. Do a backslash command to bring up the source to the sign up page and search for secret. This will be embedded in a javascript pop-up tag. As part of that tag there is a tag identifier which starts out voice=. It looks like it always starts out with 'https://www.paypal.com/ and then the line breaks and there's a wrap around on the beginning of the next line starting with the plus '+' character. I mark on the first character after the plus and move to the closing tick ' and cut on the character just to the left. Now move over to the next console and type in: lynx -dump https://www.paypal.com/ and paste the cut-and-paste buffer onto the end followed by >secret.wav thusly: lynx -dump https://www.paypal.com/pasted-path >secret.wav That will create a wave file you can play with play or whatever. The file contains a synthetic voice reading a number/letter code which you must fill-in on the secret code form line. Now go back over to the console with the sign-up source page and do another backslash to revert it to a web page and fill it out. You must fill the form out after you get the file or you'll lose everything you filled in previously. The form is a bit futsy to figure out but not bad with a couple of run throughs. I figured it out finally to learn I had to go back and figure out how to fill out the international form. I got lots of practice. This whole process took me a few days to figure out because I found it overwhelming and frustrating. In retrospect it isn't to bad, but nothing is once you've figured it out. 'grin' Anyway, good luck and let us know how it goes. Maybe you can write some more clear instructions once you've worked through it. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061