Hello. I think if you really wanted to use your zipspeak you could take any 9x system or visit http://www.bootdisks.com and grab the 98 SE boot disk and change to the drive and then run the loadlin command you can boot zipspeak. When my laptop had to have the hard disk repaired and I did not have any other computers I used a slimmed down version of zipslack added with speakup support, and fit it on a zip disk and used my external iomega zip drive.. and I had ppp, aol im, emacs, lynx, mpg123, telnet ftp blabla... If you are going to go slackware I would select a ap d e n I would leave out y because it is just games then I would uninstall a lot of packages that are installed such as the cd player, jpeg viewers etc.. it has been a long time since I ran slackware.. removepkg package I believe, or pkgtool.tty I heard from a friend that pkgtool.tty was removed but I have not run slackware in a long while. I believe if you have the disk space debian or redhat is a little better, but if you are low on disk space slackware is the easiest in my opinion to customize.. due to the method that the packages are managed. Forgive me if any of this is incorrect.. Its early.. I am running 2.4.18 is there anything worth upgrading to in the 2.5.x kernels? The virtual machine I run Linux in doesn't seem to work with my sound card and I really have no need for it to.. So I know about alsa, but is there any other reason? Is it faster, more stable? I want to do traffic shaping on my dsl line, but I have no idea where to start. I want only to filter the ability of users who are using my apache to suck up all my upload bandwidth on the line. I do not want to limit my own outbound traffic just the speed that apache will send it.. I found the throttling modules for apache but they do not seem to do what I want them to do. What about the ip_traf module? Will that do this. See I only have 256 kbps or 25.6 k up on my dsl and I only want to allow 10K to apache after that I want apache to stop serving web pages. It is basically the only public service I'm running, sure I have pop3 and all that open but only for my personal access. Is what I want to do possible? One more thing, I want to be able to get speak freely working behind my netfilter nat, I have the commands for ipchains but what ports do I forward to allow people to for example type in my ip address and have that forwarded to say 10.0.0.4/24 or maybe a variable like IP$ that I can define in a script for times when I'm at a specific machine and want to use speak freely.. thanks for all the help Patrick ------------------------- Patrick Turnage e-mail:pturnage at tampabay.rr.com Telephone: (850) 459-7717 HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com Amateur radio callsign:kg4dqk AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk icq:26862191 MSN:turnagep at hotmail.com Yahoo!:kg4dqk America Online:kg4dqk1129 kg4dqk1129 at aol.com