Aaron: I'm willing to be convinced regarding grub. Here are the problems I have regarding it. Do you have good answers that I possibly don't know yet? 1.) How can you relibably know you're now interacting with grub? Your email below mentions that the serial port prompt is unavailable. How about support for the Ctrl-G beep available via the message directive, usually pointing to /boot/boot.msg? Anything like that? Anything in grub to beep your speaker? Or, better still, play a cute little tune like System Commander does?? 2.) How does one handle multiple boot options reliably? For example, if you have multiple param options to pass to a kernel so that you might load Speakup with the DEC Talk Express today, and with the Litetalk tomorrow, how would you handle that with grub? Of course, in lilo I've given each of these different labels and different single-char aliases. How would you do this with grub? On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell wrote: > actually, thats one part of the install i disagree with (but its personal preference so it doesn't much matter). > I find Grub on the whole to be a better boot loader than Lilo. > You can do a lot more with it, e.g booting kernels from anywhere off your hard drive, searching the filesystem, etc, > as well as all the things that Lilo does. > I selected grub when i did the install, I was prompted for any kernel options i wanted (that's where I put in my speakup synth option), > and after I did the kernel install and rebooted, things came up talking nicely (which was what I expected). > If it was me, I'd be recommending users use grub, unless they wantt a talking boot prompt through making lilo use the serial port as a console (not sure if grub can do that or how). > Regards > Aaron > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:40:30PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > hI, aRON: > > > > yES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. dOWNLOAD THE > > APPROPRIATE FLOPPY IMAGE FROM THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE. tHIS WILL > > GIVE YOU A SPEAKING INSTALLATION. gO AHEAD AND USE YOUR STOCK rED > > hAT 7.3 cd romS TO INSTALL vALHALLA. tHE INSTALLATION WILL TALK, > > BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SPEECH WHEN YOU BOOT YOUR INSTALLED SYSTEM, > > BECAUSE THE STOCK rED hAT cd romS DON'T INCLUDE THE KERNEL > > PATCHED WITH sPEAKUP. > > > > sO, YOU SHOULD ALSO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE KERNEL RPM, PROBABLY > > IN ADVANCE. oNCE YOU'VE INSTALLED FROM THE STOCK rED hAT DISCS, > > GO AHEAD AND BOOT AND LOGIN AS ROOT. THEN INSTALL YOUR sPEAKUP > > mODIFIED KERNEL AS USUAL WITH RPM AND REBOOT. > > > > yOU MAY ALSO NEED TO EDIT YOUR LILO.CONF BY HAND. > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell wrote: > > > > > Hi there, > > > I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech. > > > I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok. > > > I do have a question though, and that is, > > > If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds, > > > Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation? > > > I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install. > > > Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk, > > > then get the speakup modified kernel? > > > Any help you could provide would be much appreciated. > > > Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage. > > > Regards > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
