Not very good news, but I am glad that I can do everything at least. Thanks. Teddy, orasnita at home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > Octavian: > > Emacs and emacspeak are both very capable, and powerful. The main > difference is that you have to learn a lot more to use emacspeak > effectively. Speakup is easier to learn. > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > This is a real encouragement. Thank you. > > What I am not sure yet, is if I will be able to do with Emacspeak, all what > > you can do with speakup. > > > > Thanks. > > Teddy, > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:01 AM > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > Yes, I have the same impression. > > > > Unfortunately, that puts him in a bit of a bind, but only until > > he gets over his beginner's hump with emacspeak and his internal > > DEC Talk. He should be OK after that. > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > >From some of the comments he's made both on and off list I get the > > > impression that money is a major issue. meaning that he 1 can't afford to > > > get a new synth to fully use speakup and 2 he can't afford to pay for > > > software either. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > > Greg: > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a > > > > supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I > > > > recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of > > > > course, the latter is a very steep learning curve. > > > > > > > > Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without > > > > emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it > > > > over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet > > > > client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft > > > > telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with > > > > frustration. > > > > > > > > So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option > > > > right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting. > > > > > > > > I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on > > > > nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably > > > > the best compromise. > > > > > > > > Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a > > > > better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader > > > > like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that > > > > Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and > > > > spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a > > > > good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > > > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from all of > > Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression that > > he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support > > software tts. > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by line, > > or > > > > > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by hitting > > the > > > > > > space bar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me. > > > > > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help format under > > Windows. > > > > > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6 and it > > will > > > > > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML file > > there, > > > > > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer. > > > > > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help files > > in the old > > > > > > > .hlp format. > > > > > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to navigate > > the man > > > > > > > pages. > > > > > > > I type man mv, for example. > > > > > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move > > with a page > > > > > > > up then down, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > Teddy, > > > > > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au> > > > > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SNIP > > > > > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do > > there. > > > > > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to > > press some > > > > > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 > > (or the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the > > help file > > > > > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages > > under > > > > > > > Linux. > > > > > > > SNIP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A fake. > > > > > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than > > windows help > > > > > > > pages. > > > > > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart around > > trying to > > > > > > > find what you were looking for. > > > > > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could > > navigate a > > > > > > > help file easier than a man page.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
