I think APH are giving away all that old Apple software on their web site still. I almost wish I had an Apple around here, but I don't. What I really want is to copy off some of my old basic programs. I learned computers on that Apple, and I learned by writing automatic graphics programs that just kept generating and transforming images on screen. I couldn't see them, but I had fun conceptualizing. You might say I was a peekin' and pokin fool back then. -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org