Hi. THere's also the dos win to linux howto on linuxdoc.org. It specifically explains the dir command, copy, format, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:36 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > As a good idea, I think that a good tutorial should start thinking that a > new user of linux used Windows until that moment. > I don't know if a person with absolutely no experience in computers, would > start learning linux these days. > I think the new Linux users know at least DOS or Windows. > > So the tutorial should say that the ls command is like the dir command for > dos, but the differences are: ... > Then it should explain the differences between the 2 OS's telling how to > copy a file to a floppy, why it should be mounted, etc. > I don't know if there are installers for Linux that can install this OS with > only a few enter keys , or without a hardware sinthesizer, etc, so the > installation of Linux is not so important for an absolute beginner because > perhaps an advanced user will install the OS. > > Another good starting tutorial would be explaining all the available screen > readers, sinthesizers, telling what is a "talking environment like emacs, > comparing the screen readers for DOS and windows with those for Linux, > comparing the responsiveness and sound quality of sinthesizers, and > comparing them with each other. > > This way, for a new user would be much easier to choose what they want and > what is more appropriate for what they want to do with the computer. > > > Teddy, > orasnita at home.ro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Parsons" <akp at eznet.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > Hi all, > > I have left this post in here because it is cogent and it applies > here. > > Excuse me for speaking bluntly, but what is needed here is some > education mentality. We've received several messages from one person > this morning who is trying his best to learn Linux. He has to learn > Linux for his job or school or something He's working with a set of > circumstances that are not the best. > > First, he is using software speech in Linux via emacs because Dectalk > PC is not supported by Speakup. So, he's kinda between a rock and a > hard place. > > Second, English is not his native tongue and he is having a hard time > understanding docs and what commands to use. > > Third, he has a learning style that needs to be accommodated. This > takes understanding and patience. > > Charles, if ACB is interested in Linux, that's super. Is there any > way I can help? I'd be happy to write tutorials, except that I'm not > good at all the commands and so on. If someone gave me all the > commands and that, I could write a tutorial. Is there perhaps someone > who would like to collaborate with me on writing Linux Tutorials for > the blind? > > Ann P. > >>>>> "Hi all,Charles" == Charles Crawford <ccrawford at acb.org> writes: > > Hi all,Charles> OK, now I need to speak from the view of > Hi all,Charles> the American council of the blind with respect to > Hi all,Charles> this thread. > > Hi all,Charles> We want to see alternatives to the > Hi all,Charles> dominant Ms-Windows operating system and > Hi all,Charles> applications that are accessible and user > Hi all,Charles> friendly. We realize there is a culture around > Hi all,Charles> Linux that we do not wish to displace or otherwise > Hi all,Charles> change, yet the culture demands a level of > Hi all,Charles> personal involvement and knowledge that is neither > Hi all,Charles> easy to obtain from the available resources nor > Hi all,Charles> easy to learn once those resources are found. > Hi all,Charles> Hence, the participation of the wider blindness > Hi all,Charles> community is not likely unless there are new ways > Hi all,Charles> of learning and using Linux that maintain the > Hi all,Charles> accessibility and lack of expense that are so > Hi all,Charles> attractive. > > Hi all,Charles> It is not a matter of telling folks to > Hi all,Charles> read the manual when the manual is prefaced upon > Hi all,Charles> an expectation of understanding that is greater > Hi all,Charles> than the average person starting out. Neither is > Hi all,Charles> it helpful to assume that everyone is going to be > Hi all,Charles> able to prioritize their time to dedicate to Linux > Hi all,Charles> in the same way as others have. > > Hi all,Charles> This is not a hobby. It is an operating > Hi all,Charles> system for use by those who need the access and > Hi all,Charles> affordability of it. So let's admit that we need > Hi all,Charles> to accommodate those interests and find a way to > Hi all,Charles> do it that is not threatening to the current > Hi all,Charles> community of users. > > Hi all,Charles> For the reasons above, ACBH is attempting > Hi all,Charles> to find the resources to get the internal speech > Hi all,Charles> engine we need to put speakup inside the box with > Hi all,Charles> internal quality speech. That will expand the > Hi all,Charles> user base because we won't be hunting around for > Hi all,Charles> hardware that is slowly disappearing. > > Hi all,Charles> Next we need to look at the usability > Hi all,Charles> issue. This does not mean we try and change the > Hi all,Charles> nature of Linux and it's syntax, but we do need to > Hi all,Charles> look at any avenues to either make it more easy > Hi all,Charles> for folks to learn the context through tutorials > Hi all,Charles> for example or possible other ways. > > Hi all,Charles> In the end, Linux is a robust product > Hi all,Charles> that need not be seen as having only one road to > Hi all,Charles> access. So let's stop making assumptions about > Hi all,Charles> the people who are only trying to use this cool > Hi all,Charles> operating system and start making an environment > Hi all,Charles> that supports all who want to use it. > > Hi all,Charles> -- Charlie Crawford. At 04:34 PM 5/19/02 -0400, > Hi all,Charles> you wrote: > >> I think that most people know how to search for things on the > >> internet. I think you need to stop and think about the fact > >> that not all people are good at finding things and that's why > >> we ask for help. If I could find all of the answers to my > >> problems, I wouldn't be asking.:p Before you start treating new > >> people like their idiots, try to remember that we're all > >> different, we all learn in different ways, and sometimes we > >> miss stuff. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > >> > >> > All right, Newbies, Listen Up! > >> > > >> > There's something called Google. It's your friend. You use it > >> > with your favorite web browser. It's real easy and it's lynx > >> > friendly. And, it finds the answers to almost all of the > >> "where > do I find" questions I've seen on this list in the > >> last 6 months, > and puts them on the first screen of results. > >> > > >> > Learn to use Google. Keep it open in a second console. > >> > > >> > The field where you type in your search string is the fourth > >> > field on the main Google screen. The submit button is the > >> next > field. > >> > > >> > This is not rocket science. It isn't even hard. > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup > >> mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing > >> list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > Hi all,Charles> _______________________________________________ > Hi all,Charles> Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > Hi all,Charles> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." > JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
