believe it or not, my first computer was a comodore 64 with no speech. I could see well enough at the time to be able to read the print off of my tv screen. I even had some cool games for it that weren't released to the publick until a few months after I had them. I'm still amazed that you could do so much with a 1 mhz processor and the entire os was in memory. I mean sure you had to load games off of a tape, and I mean audio cassett, but it was for it's time very fast. especially when you put things like dolphin dos or cocroach on it. oh how I miss my c 64 hahaha. -- Shaun Oliver Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the > > only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. > > -- Wernher von Braun. > > email: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au > > icq:76958435