This is a real encouragement. Thank you. What I am not sure yet, is if I will be able to do with Emacspeak, all what you can do with speakup. Thanks. Teddy, orasnita at home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. Yes, I have the same impression. Unfortunately, that puts him in a bit of a bind, but only until he gets over his beginner's hump with emacspeak and his internal DEC Talk. He should be OK after that. On Mon, 20 May 2002, Deedra Waters wrote: > >From some of the comments he's made both on and off list I get the > impression that money is a major issue. meaning that he 1 can't afford to > get a new synth to fully use speakup and 2 he can't afford to pay for > software either. > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Greg: > > > > I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a > > supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I > > recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of > > course, the latter is a very steep learning curve. > > > > Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without > > emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it > > over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet > > client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft > > telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with > > frustration. > > > > So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option > > right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting. > > > > I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on > > nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably > > the best compromise. > > > > Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a > > better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader > > like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that > > Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and > > spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a > > good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software. > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from all of Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression that he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support software tts. > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by line, or > > > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by hitting the > > > > space bar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me. > > > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help format under Windows. > > > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6 and it will > > > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML file there, > > > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer. > > > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all. > > > > > > > > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help files in the old > > > > > .hlp format. > > > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to navigate the man > > > > > pages. > > > > > I type man mv, for example. > > > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move with a page > > > > > up then down, etc. > > > > > > > > > > I know this is possible. Thanks. > > > > > Teddy, > > > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au> > > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SNIP > > > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there. > > > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press some > > > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or the > > > > > right > > > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the help file > > > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under > > > > > Linux. > > > > > SNIP > > > > > > > > > > A fake. > > > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than windows help > > > > > pages. > > > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart around trying to > > > > > find what you were looking for. > > > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could navigate a > > > > > help file easier than a man page.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
