Yes, and how I said, Windows is not better, but is absolutely necessary for some tasks. I don't think it is a great problem to write a good (or even better and accessible) program like Cake Walk for Linux, but this would take a lot of effort, people and money, and the results ... The Linux people like the command line not the GUI. Teddy, orasnita at home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. Yes, I must second on the music stuff. The only reason I use windows and Jaws is that it gives me access to cakeWalk, a very powerful (and mostly accessible) music sequencing and audio editing environment. Writing such a beast is very difficult, nontrivial, very f*cking hard, and takes many human years to accomplish. To be fair, some of this difficulty may have to do with its reliance on Windows and its very ugly GUI programming (yes, its as ugly to develope under as it is to use), and some of the complexity may have to do with its ability to deal with music notation, but its still a nontrivial task to write such a beast. My feeling is that a console based sequencing and audio package like cakeWalk won't ever be created, because sighted people want to use a GUI. When gnome comes on-line for us, we may have more options in this regard. I've heard of mixers and effects processors which are x-windows based, but I'm not sure how well they work. I think there is a sequencer or two as well for the X environment. The question is, are any of these as good as cakeWalk? CakeWalk is a professional quality product in every way. The only thing nonprofessional about it is Windows! There is someone (Frank Carmichael, I believe) who has been working on the audio piece of this, so maybe he can chime in on this and tell me how *wrong I am*! <smile> There is no way to create music the way I do without this program! It sux, but its unfortunately the case. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: 18 May, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. Are there any games accessible for the blind under Linux, like under Windows? Please tell me some web addresses. Are there any good sound editing programs for Linux, like Sound Forge, Cool Edit, Gold Wave, etc, and programs for creating MIDI music, like Cake Walk? Is there a text editor, that has macro features, Regular expressions, the ability to save in Windows/Mac/Unix format, etc? ... Just a few things that camed to mind. A lot of things are accessible, but ... harder to learn, harder to configure and harder to use, if I am not so bright to remember 1000 command line parameters. Thank you for the links. Teddy, orasnita at home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. On Sat, 18 May 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > I just wish Linux were > a more viable general purpose workstation; I use Windows for that purpose. > Hi, Darrell: Just wondering what you think is missing from Linux' desktop applications. In case this sounds loaded, it might be. The underlying question might be: Is it your knowledge deficit, or is it Linux itself? For my own experience in this matter, I've found it's my knowledge deficit almost without exception. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup